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I'm putting things in motion regarding Saidit2 because it's time for that. So here's a todo list. This is also to demonstrate my idea of a project-oriented social media site where the todos are shared with other members, much like on issue trackers.

Todo

[x] Setup openssh on the Levermind server (I propose this one because it isn't being used for anything critical right now) Was already configured
[ ] Setup Saidit
[ ] Make it available via a vhost
[ ] Point a domain name to said vhost
[ ] Pre-launch
[ ] Write up site policy @JasonCarswell
[ ] Make a bunch of people who agree about how to run it admin
[ ] Advertise the website

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[-]newJiminy4(+3|0)

Thought carswell hated saidit

[-]JasonCarswell2(+1|0)

You don't pay attention much.
I probably helped there more than 99% of users. I even made the SaidIt logo.
I did not like how magnora7 and his ego failed us all.
I also did not like much of the negative discourse, lack of community/culture/PR, disorganization, etc.
SaidIt2 doesn't have to be sloppy if we can help it.

[-]x0x72(+1|0)

I don't know if M7 failed you. He thoroughly didn't like working with his selected partner to the point that he stopped talking to him and abandoned the site all together.

If anything D3 failed you. He had access to the site, while M7 didn't. According to M7 he didn't even have passwords to the system, and the only thing he had access to was the billing and the domain. So everything was D3.

D3 says that M7 pulled the site, but something doesn't add up. The site was in a technically broken state for about a month without being taken down. It's exact state did change a few times indicating that someone had access to the backend and potentially could repair it. But repairs weren't happening. And M7 didn't have access to the backend.

So my guess on what went down, reading between the lines on what people have been willing to say, is something broke. D3 told M7 give me your site or else, basically holding the site he was entrusted with admin rights to randsom, and M7 said fuck it and pulled it.

M7 had a vision for what he wanted to build. He wasn't able to get the community behind what he was trying to put his time into, so he stopped putting his time into it. That's not failing people he owed something to. That's just reasonable time management. It's gotta be give and take. If he had continued to step up to that plate he would have been the largest time contributor. If he's not able to get success building the community he is aiming for, he's going to find another useful outlet of his time.

You have to get behind what your admin is hoping to do instead of exclusively what you want to set as his agenda, or they are going to stop contributing free work to a project. I have reason to think that M7 felt extremely backseated.

M7 put in a lot of time. What dividend did he get in return? Did he get the community he was aiming for?

[-]JasonCarswell2(+1|0)

D3 also failed us. And sadly he's failed himself if he behaved as badly as you said he did. But the site was shit long before it went down, regardless of who's fault it was. (Besides chat, because it was a sewer I'd given up on it for about half a year before committing here, about 2 years before it died.)

M7 lied plenty enough to be forever called a liar. I don't believe his excuses/reasons/story at all - if/when he even bothers to chime in. Does sitting on the info and doing nothing until it's dead and past reviving actually sound like a rational course of action? He had ample time to say something and get something done, even if through the grapevine.

From the beginning the relationship was always clear - D3 was the over-passive gearhead and wanted nothing to do with moderating, while M7 was supposed to be the charismatic leader, but without charisma nor leadership skills. Yet he was the decider ego in charge - deciding to ruin their relationship, do nothing to foster SaidIt site-wide community (subs vibes were started on Reddit), unexplainably vanished for long stretches, and let the forum slide in to festering chaos. Ultimately he's the author of SaidIt's cultural decay.

D3 told M7 give me your site or else, basically holding the site he was entrusted with admin rights to randsom, and M7 said fuck it and pulled it.

This is the first I'm hearing anything like this. Not only does it seem way out of character for d3rr (from what I know of the anonymous ex-admin, now tainted by what you said he did), but he has always been reluctant to do work, be admin, or lead anything. He's passive to the extreme, occasionally passive-aggressive, and it nearly broke him when he was site admin for a bit because magnora7 had abandoned ship. Folks said he did a good job then, though I didn't notice (might have been busy) and don't know what it took to make things run smoothly. With smooth sailing you wouldn't notice the absence of bumps.

M7 didn't pull it if he just let it fall apart. You don't let something rot then tell the community excuses after. That's another example of shit leadership.

M7 had a vision for what he wanted to build.

No.
He did not.
He had dreams. But he refused to make plans. And he refused to include the community.

He dreamed of being a critical thinker. Sometimes he had good ideas. Sometimes he lied about shit.

I dream of being a billionaire. Okay, now what? There are a million steps between a dream and realization. Early on I was pressing to have a roadmap, guides, rules, etc. Document it all in the wiki. I was the one who started codifying stuff in the SaidIt-wiki and on InfoGalactic - thus forcing M7D3 to correct any errors I made.

He wasn't able to get the community behind what he was trying to put his time into, so he stopped putting his time into it.

They started SaidIt and gathered together a community, while refusing to have community input into how things were run because of his ego. As leader it's his responsibility to communicate about all the things - including about when things are going sour and when you're just going to abandon ship. The captain is supposed to be last off.

That's not failing people he owed something to.

False.
He was not SaidIt.
WE ALL were SaidIt.
We all put in our time and effort into it.
We believed in the site that was better than the other options.
We invested our faith.
And he mislead us.
Repeatedly.
Perpetually.

On the other hand, if he were communicating about stuff, perhaps we would understand and not feel so betrayed.
Further, we might have built alternatives long ago.
Maybe he even could have handed over the reigns to a person, a trusted team, or the community (and he could have still remained "owner" and Grand Poobah.)

That's just reasonable time management. It's gotta be give and take.

Time management is good for everyone, but that's not an excuse to not communicate to the people you are "leading".

If he had continued to step up to that plate he would have been the largest time contributor.

This is another straw man. magnora7 chose to take all that weight on his own shoulders himself. He chose that burden. No one forced him to go it alone. He refused to delegate anything until it was far too late. He could have assembled a trusted team. He could have managed the culture and community better. He failed because HE failed.

agenda, or they are going to stop contributing free work to a project. [...] M7 felt extremely backseated.

Yes, cooperation and communication are critical. M7's lack of ability and his ego put himself in that backseat, and D3's equally poor communication was the third leg of that shitty stool.

M7 put in a lot of time.

Yes, many of us did.

What dividend did he get in return?

I will give him great credit for not commercializing the site or selling out, whether he meant to or not.

Did he get the community he was aiming for?

We don't know. What even was his ideal community? He didn't communicate well. He had dreams and aspirations but no plans, no road-maps, no outlines, no concrete goals. I wanted to make stickers and t-shirts to raise funds for hosting, code-bounties, and other projects. I wanted to dev campaigns and media (I still did a lot of PR). We developed wish-lists for features and other stuff. It all seemed like it was for nothing falling on deaf ears. The only thing that was clear is that he was the boss.

And now the boss has taken all our effort and flushed it. If we had a backup of the site we could at least host a searchable frozen archive of it (Wayback is meh).

[-]JasonCarswell3(+2|0)

Odd that someone downvoted a project on a forum where the highest aspiration for content is "Projects".

[-]x0x72(+1|0)

It seems to be a theme in /s/Projects. I've caught a few downvotes myself in that sub. Somebody really hates projects, lol.

[-]LarrySwinger1(+1|-1)

Hello mr. downvoter please make yourself known and explain why you did this.

crickets

[-]JasonCarswell2(+1|0)

And of course without bonus points (or comments) your post will slide off the front page into obscurity, meanwhile the same old Anthropic psy-op and lady baby-killer stuff lingers all week.

[-]x0x72(+1|0)

This has been staying on the front page pretty ok. Discussion matters way more than points here. Unless someone changes their alg options. Which is their call.

[-]JasonCarswell2(+1|0)

Reposted to /s/SaidIt2.

[-]JasonCarswell2(+1|0)

I like this list.

I also like the open development where folks can see and chime in. Ideas are good - even when they're not necessarily used it's good to have options.

I'll copypaste and revise by adding numbers and reordering. Naturally it's up for revision.

SaidIt2 Do:

[x] Setup openssh on LeverMind server (not used for anything critical right now) - was configured
[ ] Setup Saidit - Larry
[ ] Write up site policy - Jason started outlining the organization, but the goal is community self-management - feedback and ideas welcome (after you've read the wiki-page). We don't need authority, we need self-discipline, or you don't belong here. The burden of maintaining our home will be shared by all.
[ ] Rebranding (add 2 to logo, use the favicon that wasn't used before, etc.). - Jason
[ ] Community-establish categories list (authorized subs) - community
[ ] Make it available via a vhost
[ ] Point a domain name to the vhost - Jason
[ ] Apply revised branding.
[ ] Pre-launch SaidIt2 (start with tests and mild activity?)
[ ] Initiate the SaidIt2 TrustedTeam to mod using their co-developed user manual
[ ] CSS and theme development - community
[ ] Develop wish lists - community, features, roadmap, etc.
[ ] Establish backup protocols to resist censorship/shutdown
[ ] Maybe try to distribute/decentralize/network/web-ring
[ ] Maybe try to interlink with Projex.Wiki rather than SaidIt2 wiki
[ ] Maybe try to network with other non-news-aggregator sites that have other useful tools and/or communities
[ ] Maybe try to develop communities and resources that help folks, considering we're in for a new paradigm with energy, financial, and food crises among others.
[ ] Develop an explanatory and promotional media campaign (hopefully include SubMatrix and other good online forums, resources, etc. too)
[ ] Get all the campaign ducks in a row (huge job)
[ ] Do not jump the gun before we're ready
[ ] Do not jump the gun before we're ready
[ ] Do not jump the gun before we're ready
[ ] Advertise Promote the website and campaign
[ ] Develop and produce further media campaigns - notably to cover aspects of community

The SaidIt2 and LeverMind policy can mirror until there's a reason to fork. I haven't touched the https://Projex.Wiki/wiki/LeverMind/Organization for some time, and since then, myself, others, and x0x7 have also come up with some great concepts worth adapting and integrating. It takes effort to document stuff and keep it up to date, especially to make it clear, concise, and impactful.

Feel free to read the outline and throw in your two cents in these comments to improve them. Some things are fundamental but others are flexible. Let me know if you want a Projex.Wiki account.

Just when it was starting to get clean and organized, I just got another load jamming up the studio (more random estate stuff). I'm hoping to begin shooting some Santa Libertas stuff in late October. There's no reason the LeverMind Variety Show (sometimes featuring Santa) can't include some stuff about SaidIt2, SubMatrix, and others. Unless and until I can be convinced otherwise, unfortunately that show takes priority over SaidIt2 - and it's an even bigger production, which I intend to openly develop here too.